Donald Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Newbie here and hoping I didn't bite off more than I can chew. Started a Galleon. I found these schematics on Google images. Its in German so I don't know what it says but its easy enough to follow. Landlubber Mike, IOAN, IgorSky and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 I planked the deck and put a bit of stain on her. Lboro, JesseLee, IOAN and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 I know I will have an issue with the height factor. Working it out. IgorSky, Bernard Kelly, Lboro and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Going make a channel for masts and cap it later. Lboro, IOAN and JesseLee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Not glued in. John Zuch, IOAN, Chasseur and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSiemens Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Good find. This ship looks like a lot of fun. The height of the hull could be an issue. There's ways to get around that but you'll have to plan that right away in this build. The most common method is splitting the hull. For ships like this where it appears your doing the whole ship I'd split it either right at the channel or at the waterline. The reason for that is you can use the channel or the waterline to hide the split. For a waterline split I would paint the bottom half white up to the split. The reason for this is old ships up to the 1750's were sealed bellow the water line with whalefat and tallow. The mixture would appear white. They did this up to the waterline. Later ships had copper plating which was more expensive but made for faster ships. If you decide to split thw hull now is the time. Its easier to work with a split hull from the beginning rather than cut a nice looking ship later. Once you have the two pieces put a two pegs one one side and holes for the pegs on the other. This will help the piece come together exactly where you want it in the bottle. James w rogers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSiemens Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Heres one of my very early pirate ship builds. You can see the split at the channel. Once in it looks like a solid piece. This is what makes ships in bottles magical. Your on the right track with it. Keep it up. JesseLee, Bernard Kelly, James w rogers and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted March 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Thanks for the input. Curious your method for cutting the hull in 2 pieces. I have some nice tools/saws that are inaccessible for a few more weeks. Scary thought splitting but I def. want to try. Not sure if this is the one though. This was my plan, Picture A, labels masts and decks once raised. Picture B shows how I was going to lay the masts down. Picture C shows the caps I would place after the masts are up. If this seems silly please let me know, my feelings wont be hurt. These first few builds are to be learning experiences for me and I welcome any and all input. IOAN, Onni, JesseLee and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSiemens Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Your approach looks good. I like your ingenuity. There's no right or wrong way to split a hull. I look forward to seeing how it works out. Lboro and Donald 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 Learning process it is... So far I have redone the atea around the bowsprit 3 times. I am fairly happy with the hull but I have decided to redo everything else. The railings are too inconsistant, I'm going to try styrene for that. The whole rear end has been mind bending for a newbie not sure of what he's doing. The balcony, ( please forgive my ignorance of common ship language) in the rear I have some ideas about how to do better. At any rate through trial, error and reading posts from you fine folks, we'll get there eventually. The great thing about this forum is that you are not satisfied with just O.K., when the informationis here to do it better. Cheers! John Zuch, JesseLee, Bernard Kelly and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 James w rogers, John Zuch, IgorSky and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 In my imagination, I think the balcony area(?) at the rear of an old galleon, with a beautiful lady, a glass of wine and fair winds would be the most romantic thing ever. Redoing the rear, it looks a mess right now. Part of my issue is the unconventional way I'm dividing it up to get in the bottle. Onni, James w rogers, IOAN and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSiemens Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 I think she's looking great. I think styrene would be a good option. I've never used it but I really like what I've seen others do with it. I need to order me some and try it out one of these days. Speaking of materials a trait I've seen in great ship in bottle builders is to always be on the lookout for new materials. Whether it's styrene, watch gears, wire insulation, or most recently for me paint brush bristles. There's a lot of odd materials that work well as parts of your ship. For instance get a two inch paint brush cut a couple bristles off and make ladders out of them. Ship parts and names come with time. As you get deeper into researching particular ships you'll get more accustomed to them. As far as the back balcony stern decks or stern section works. If you want a lot of technical names here's a photo. I like that you mentioned what you imagine doing on the ship. That's one of my favorite parts of building ships in bottles. Imagining how it might have been, what I would do if I was there. The adventure of it all. It's a lot of fun. It's all about trial and error. You'll get her in eventually. IgorSky, Onni, JesseLee and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted May 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) She's been a brain bruiser up until now. I actually expect more trouble with the rigging when trying to pack her through the bottle opening. Its like a series of puzzles all wrapped up into a ship in a bottle. The work you guys do is really inspiring, awesome tips and tricks and I appreciate you freely sharing with us newbies. Edited May 22, 2018 by Spanky John Zuch, IOAN, exwafoo and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSiemens Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 That looks fantastic and she's fitting in the bottle. Great work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted May 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 Thank you, your tip on checking and rechecking fit into the neck has saved me hours of heartbreak already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted June 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Coming along slowly but surely. Must have subconsciously chosen this ship because of the painting in the background. Onni, Bernard Kelly, JesseLee and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onni Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 I know that painting well Spanky!? IgorSky, Chasseur, IOAN and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted June 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 My favorite painting. The story behind the artist and this painting is so interesting. The end of the era where sailing was dominant, this fantastic old warship being pulled into the yard by a side wheel steamer thus ushering in the new age of mechanical power. The real one is in London, I think at the British National Museum. Love the ship in bottle, it's very cool. Thanks for posting. IgorSky, Onni, JesseLee and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exwafoo Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Spanky, A very nice job indeed. Its a bit late for advice now, but if you plan to split the hull, its a lot easier if you start off with a 'composite block' made up from separate, close fitting pieces pegged together. If you plan the 'split' along, say, the waterline or a whale, it helps hide it. The pieces can be pulled together in the bottle using control threads and the pegs. If you want some small, very thin saws the look here - http://www.radubstore.com/ - I have some of the tools from here and can vouch for their efficiency. They also keep an edge. The first saw blade I used lasted about a year being used on various types of wood (hard and soft) and on brass rod and tube when making tools. Looking forward to more Alan IgorSky and Bernard Kelly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Thank you that is very helpful. I wondered about saw blades etc. Still plugging away but I fully anticipate problems. I think my next one will follow your method above. I got fired up about this method being a rookie before exploring experienced builders advice however, I do enjoy a challenge. Stay tuned... James w rogers, Bernard Kelly, IgorSky and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Quick question for everyone, I really don't have a great feel for rigging, its pros and cons, as well as different methods. Can anyone point me to a thread or article that may enlighten me? Thank you! IgorSky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSiemens Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Strangley I dont know that we have a thread covering rigging or rigging techniques. There are two main parts the stamding rigging and the running rigging. The standing rigging is for structural support amd does not move. The running rigging moves the yards and sails so it runs through blocks. To this point you've done a great job on the standing rigging. This includes the back stays, shrouds, ratlines, and fore stays. What hasn't been added is the running rigging. Is this what you would like to know more about? Donald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 I guess I'm curious about how and where and why the rigging might run through hull and why. Also the way rigging is used at the tips of the booms. Do they run through boom tips to top of mast and down to other boom tip? Are they tied off at boom tips or allowed to slide freely through holes in boom tips and mast top to the deck and/or through deck to other side and up again? I have Dan Bergs book, and "Sailing in glass", as well as a pretty fair selection of S.I.B. in my collection, that have various rigging techniques. The plans for this galleon,I pilfered from Google images and they did not include a rigging diagram so I'm really just winging it through trial and error. Chasseur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Spanky said: Quick question for everyone, I really don't have a great feel for rigging, its pros and cons, as well as different methods. Can anyone point me to a thread or article that may enlighten me? Thank you! The rigging, rigging and sails of ships of the XVIII century Marquardt K.Kh. Anderson, Roger Charles. The Rigging of Ship. In the days of the sprritsail topmast, 1600-1720 JesseLee, Donald and Chasseur 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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