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Didn't mean to frighten you. This was on the Black Pearl I did, there's a build log on the forum. The hull was split, and the quarterdeck was separate. The chain-wales were cut from brass shim to give them enough strength with two locating lugs. The port backstays on the mizzen have developed a twist so that it is proving difficult to untwist then locate it in place. I go back to it every few weeks, the trouble is the more I play, the better chance of breaking something else. I have considered just gluing it to the side of the hull, and dab of black paint would hide it, especially as its on the off side. But stubbornness gets in the way. If I ever did this method again I'd have control lines from the lugs through the hull to pull it into place. The others all went in without a hitch tho. Keep at it, its a nice looking SIB.

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To say this has been an exercise in patience, would be a gross understatement. I got 'er in the bottle without "major" disaster but there were quite a few things that went wrong. The post on the stern

Slowly building her up, scuppers, more planking. I have been playing with this for a couple weeks and this is the point I am at currently.

Putting some masts, crows nests and rails together.

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I’m a firm believer in pegging parts because it’s useful for positioning and for added strength. Now how about this, a control line through the hull will bring the channel board (with ratlines secured) to the hull and hold it there. Then your positioning tool can be used to guide the part home. A single control line should handle it. I think that a longer peg, even made of wire, would allow for easier placement because it would create more slack with the ratlines.

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17 hours ago, DavidB773 said:

I’m a firm believer in pegging parts because it’s useful for positioning and for added strength. Now how about this, a control line through the hull will bring the channel board (with ratlines secured) to the hull and hold it there. Then your positioning tool can be used to guide the part home. A single control line should handle it. I think that a longer peg, even made of wire, would allow for easier placement because it would create more slack with the ratlines.

I believe we are thinking along the same line here. Thanks for the input.

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 I found myself getting careless and having to duplicate a lot of work, so I thought I would take a small break. So while not technically part of the build, I have started carving a stand for the Mayflower. Now, I'm about ready to give to stand a break and get back to the ship proper.

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exwafoo, what is EASIB? This is actually the first wood carving I have ever done. I bought a "Foredom" (power) wood carver, very similar to a Dremel tool.  I was trying to incorporate some "whimsy" into the stand. My plan was to have one tentacle removing the stopper, while another tentacle inserted itself into the bottle some, thus becoming the stopper. Being a rookie at this also, the stopper tentacle broke off.  I think from being too skinny and the tool spins at 20,000rpm with a carbide bit on it that helped to torque it off. I'm still contemplating splicing a tentacle in. I am also planning on trying out some airbrushing on the stand once it's done being carved. I have never tried that either but am looking forward to experimenting. Thanks for the kind words folks!

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Hi,

Sorry, its The European Association of Ships In Bottles. (EASIB) (facebook page)  We actually have members from all over the world, not just Europe. There is a small annual fee to cover the cost of 4 quality colour members magazines a year; Bottleship. (Past issues are currently being digitised to be available to members, a slow job). We have a convention every two years at a maritime heritage venue to show off SIBs, hold competitions (including best stand), swap ideas, and an evening meal with a guest speaker.  Not to mention actually enjoying the venue. There is a photographic category for members who don't wish to, or can't attend. This year's was to be at Greenwich, London, near the Cutty Sark and the Maritime Museum, cancelled because of the damn virus, but there's always next year.

I'm the association archivist, hence pushing for members. The front of the latest Bottle ship shown below.

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exwafoo, I would love to contribute and participate. I know Dsiemens also gets support from members which I would also love to help out. Let me know how to make it happen. I would seriously consider attending one of these now that I am retired, I think it would be great. Thank you!

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On 5/11/2020 at 12:48 PM, exwafoo said:

Hi,

Sorry, its The European Association of Ships In Bottles. (EASIB) (facebook page)  We actually have members from all over the world, not just Europe. There is a small annual fee to cover the cost of 4 quality colour members magazines a year; Bottleship. (Past issues are currently being digitised to be available to members, a slow job). We have a convention every two years at a maritime heritage venue to show off SIBs, hold competitions (including best stand), swap ideas, and an evening meal with a guest speaker.  Not to mention actually enjoying the venue. There is a photographic category for members who don't wish to, or can't attend. This year's was to be at Greenwich, London, near the Cutty Sark and the Maritime Museum, cancelled because of the damn virus, but there's always next year.

I'm the association archivist, hence pushing for members. The front of the latest Bottle ship shown below.

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Alan

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Thank you for the info. on EASIB, I joined and love the publications etc. and facebook page. I question whether things will be back to normal this upcoming summer, but in any case I am going to hop the big pond and attend the next convention whenever that may be. Looking forward to meeting you folks as well.   - Don

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Making some progress. I have been agonizing over how to rig this, and I am going to try something a bit different for me. I have a SIB built by Jonny Reinhert and the way he rigged this ship is unique. It appears as though he made several "loops"  (arrows point to them in pics) of thread rigging that, once in the bottle he would manipulate onto a post or mast end, instead of utilizing a lot of thread through the mouth of the bottle. The channels and blocks appear to be pinned to the side of the hull. I am shamelessly going to try and copy his method. I don't want to be too optimistic but I feel like it might work. Any of you folks familiar with this type rigging? 

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While I am not going to stress about being 100% accurate with the dimensions and rigging of the real ship, I would like there to be a reasonable likeness. Little things like painting the gun port lid, below the waterline white, and adding a British rudder pendant. When I think it looks pretty good and then I take a close up picture, it looks horrible with all her flaws highlighted. I suppose it's good that your eye doesn't pick up most of those flaws once in the bottle but I feel like my work is rather sloppy. Something to work on.

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Working on the bow a bit, the sprit still needs gammoning.. The old bow was not planned out well where it slides apart at the hull split, so re-worked that. I spent way too much time making anchors and I believe they are still a bit too big for the scale. I am going to try and trim them down a little, but at the same time I don't want to lose my sanity so I may let them pass if they are close. I fine tuned my rigging a bit more. I'm still trying to think ahead and make things as easy as possible to rig up, once it's in the bottle.

Sails are coming soon here. I made a test sail out of good resume paper that purports to be a cloth, or fabric type paper. I thinned out some Elmers glue and brushed it lightly on the sails to see if it would hold it's "wind" curve and it looks promising so far.

I don't know about anyone else, but the closer I get to "bottle day" the more nervous I get. It's almost like waiting in line for a roller coaster.

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I am going to take some advice here and make a control line to pull the the chain-wales into position. Thank you gentlemen.

 

 

 

On 4/13/2020 at 9:04 AM, exwafoo said:

Didn't mean to frighten you. This was on the Black Pearl I did, there's a build log on the forum. The hull was split, and the quarterdeck was separate. The chain-wales were cut from brass shim to give them enough strength with two locating lugs. The port backstays on the mizzen have developed a twist so that it is proving difficult to untwist then locate it in place. I go back to it every few weeks, the trouble is the more I play, the better chance of breaking something else. I have considered just gluing it to the side of the hull, and dab of black paint would hide it, especially as its on the off side. But stubbornness gets in the way. If I ever did this method again I'd have control lines from the lugs through the hull to pull it into place. The others all went in without a hitch tho. Keep at it, its a nice looking SIB.

 

On 4/14/2020 at 7:08 PM, DavidB773 said:

I’m a firm believer in pegging parts because it’s useful for positioning and for added strength. Now how about this, a control line through the hull will bring the channel board (with ratlines secured) to the hull and hold it there. Then your positioning tool can be used to guide the part home. A single control line should handle it. I think that a longer peg, even made of wire, would allow for easier placement because it would create more slack with the ratlines.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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