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    JesseLee reacted to tazam0827 in Asgard   
    The thread with the painted stripes is meant to represent the gap between the deck and the gunwal that I suppose allows for drainage in heavy seas.  See this picture of the actual yacht.  Here's my model, almost ready for the bottle.
     

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    JesseLee reacted to tazam0827 in Asgard   
    The Asgard is a gaff rigged yacht built around 1908 in Norway for Erskine Childers, English MP and Irish Nationalist executed during the Irish Civil War.  The ship was used to run guns into Howth, Ireland in response to the arming of Unionists in 1914.  I became interested in the ship because it was a local legend in Howth, where I lived for a few years.  I drew up some crude plans from photos I found on line.I carved the hull out of Basswood

    Decking, gunwale and cockpit built with coffee stirrers

    Bowsprit, cabin, hatches and helm fashioned and painted

    Mizzen mast rigged.  I tried making hinges to attach the gaff and boom, and it worked fairly well so far, but doesn't look particularly authentic

    Main mast rigged.  I used Thread blocks for the first time, and I'm liking them!

    A little more work on the hull,  I'm using painted wire loops as places to attach the shrouds.  Not entirely convinced of that yet.

     
    As a beginner, I'm always looking for constructive criticism and ways I can improve, so please don't be shy!
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    JesseLee reacted to exwafoo in Colvic Watson 28   
    A friend asked me to make a SIB of a boat that is owned by one of their friends. The boat is a Colvic Watson 28 ft as shown in Figs 1 and 2.

    Figure 1: The drawings

    Figure 2: the actual boat
    I had a few other photos to work from as well. I drew up some plans, shown in figure 3.

    Figure 3: Working plans
    The hull block was made and shaping started, shown in Figs 4 & 5

    Figure 4: Hull block

    Figure 5: Shaping Started

    Figure 6: Basic outline.
    The hull is split just off centre to port and has an upper, mid (from styrene) and a lower. The aim is to give sharp horizontal paint lines for the boot topping,

    Figure 7: Cabin made, under-coated and the planking.
    I made the planking from watercolour paper, printed on the PC with different weights of line thickness and shade. I used watercolour paint to try different shades of ‘wood’ colour, then picked the one that looked best at this scale.

     
    Figure 9: Top-coated
    The lower hull sections were painted separately, royal blue for the boot topping and red oxide for below the waterline.

    Figure 8: Sea started.
    The sea was made from plasticine, with a description of the SIB and makers name label under it.
     

    Figure 10: Starting the woodwork and masts.
    I used a red hardwood veneer for the woodwork, Small pieces were reinforced with thin CA glue before cutting and sanding to shape. Once attached to the SIB I used diluted clear acrylic varnish on them.
    The masts were made from brass tube and rods. This SIB had the luxury of actually having a large hinge at the foot of the mainmast. The main and mizzen sails are of the modern variety that are slotted into rails on the mast and are furled on a rotating assembly on the boom. The foresail is furled around a rotating steel forestay. Cutting the slots in the tubing was ‘fun’. I used a small photo-etched saw from http://www.radubstore.com. Took a while but it worked,

    Figure 11: Main mast

    Figure 12: Most of the woodwork fitted

    Figure 13: Masts and sails
    I used some type of translucent parchment that my wife gave me for the sails. Stitching was simulated using a black pencil, and they were coloured with watercolour, This allowed them to retain the translucent effect, They were a bit waxy, and I had a bit of trouble getting them to stay stuck in the slots on the masts. They held a good shape though.

    Figure 14: Rigging Underway
    I used a silver coloured thread for the rigging to simulate the stainless steel on the real boat. The railings were made from brass rod and painted chrome.

    Figure 15: Almost done. Windows ‘fitted’
    I used DIY water slide decals for the windows and name. This is the first time I’ve tried this and have been pleased with the result. A pack of 5 A4 sheets of decal material cost about £5 and I’ve used half of on sheet. First I printed a couple of different sizes and colours on paper for trialing next to the SIB for size and effect. Then printed out 3 sets of the chosen ones on my ink jet, to allow for slip ups. When dry, a couple of light coats of clear acrylic varnish was sprayed over them. Once dry, the decals are cut out, placed in a saucer of warm water and when they float off of the backing are applied using a wet paintbrush and very gentle use of tweezers, left to dry then varnished over to seal and protect them. They went on very nicely first attempt.

    Figure 16: Ready for bottling

    Figure 17: In the bottle.
    By special request, the lighthouse is an attempt at Walney Island Lighthouse at the north end of Morecambe Bay where the owner sails to sometimes.
    Regards to all
    Alan
     
     
     
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    JesseLee reacted to Onni in Different Perspective   
    Think we need Igor to enlighten us a bit about whats been discussed.😥
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    JesseLee reacted to Chasseur in Different Perspective   
    Yes Igor it would be awesome if you could translate for us. I agree with Daniel the ships in the upright bottles are simply amazing!
    Daniel thank-you for sharing this video what a great find* This videos gives all of us a new realm to dive into regarding bottling ships.
    Jeff
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    JesseLee reacted to IgorSky in Different Perspective   
    This is Volodymyr Yashchuk from Ukraine. I'll watch this video this weekend.
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    JesseLee reacted to DSiemens in Different Perspective   
    I've always thought ship in bottle building was like painting a picture but in a bottle. I saw thos video on Facebook and it totally blrw my mind with the use of perspective.  Most of the ships in bottles are pretty regular but check out the ships in the up right bottles.  I've never seen anything like them.
     
     
     
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    JesseLee reacted to Jeff B in 1776 Lexington, Continental Brig of War   
    Rigging is complete. 
    Constructing sails. They are printed on plans and I am gluing to a file folder and cutting out and sealing with puzzle glue. 
    Build resembles photos on page one. 
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    JesseLee reacted to DSiemens in Beginner recommended.   
    I think it looks really good.  There's no rules about building materials.  They don't have to be wood.   It's a great start to a fun hobby. 
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    JesseLee reacted to Niallmhor in Beginner recommended.   
    Hi All, 
    I did have a go many , many years ago and this was the result , I know it's no way as good as making the ship out of wood but it was a start . What do you think about it, next time I'll build it from wood .
    Niallmhor

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    JesseLee reacted to Jeff B in 1776 Lexington, Continental Brig of War   
    I can't take photos with my phone anymore. It's jammed. 
    Says I'm  out of storage. I'm on the family plan. Other family members.....
    i delete all photos when I'm done. I don't store them in my phone. 
    I guess my thread is done. 
    I can tell you what I'm doing on the Lexington, but without photos....
    Pretty lame, huh? 
    Jeff.
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    JesseLee got a reaction from Jeff B in Lifeboat COLIN ARCHER RS1 Scale 1/230   
    Outstanding as always Igor!
    Jesse
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    JesseLee reacted to Onni in Headline news   
    Made the local newspaper today. It's was really about trying to get new members to join our hobby club (we need more money!) My model of Vasa with the text roughly translated " a ship in the bottle opens a door to history";true enough. Large ship in a bottle is made by another member and shows the club in the background. Last picture is some naval ships that I made in a scale of 1:96 some years ago. Before anyone asks, the text is in Swedish not Finnish. Some parts of Finland are bilingual and the area where I live this is one of them.



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    JesseLee got a reaction from Bernard Kelly in Lifeboat COLIN ARCHER RS1 Scale 1/230   
    Outstanding as always Igor!
    Jesse
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    JesseLee reacted to Chasseur in Google Spotlight Age of Sail   
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    JesseLee reacted to Bruce Foxworthy in INTRIGUING SIB BUILDING FROM FATHER TO SON TO ME   
    The last thing I want to show you is the spool of thread that was in Anders sea chest.
     

    The tag above says, REVERSE POLISHED, and is one tag of two.

    These are the two tags that identifies this spool. Around the mid 1800's this little town started manufacturing a lot of these and other weaving type products. When or if it ended I don't know because I haven't read the whole history yet. That said, for my purposes I wanted to know if this thread was within either Nils, or Anders, reach by a port in Boston Mass. I figure it was available to both of them. I can only imagine again how many ships were made with this stuff and how many thousands more remain around it's core. The tag above calls out the size I believe, of the cord but I can only be sure of the number 3.
    Below is a link, ( if I did it right ), that shows that beginning history of that area of Boston. I'm going to see if I can narrow down the approximate date this was made using the tags as trace bullets, if you like, but It might take me a while. So on the research hit list it goes.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=LygWAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA225&ots=0Exs5bD6tf&dq=Ludlow%20Manufacturing%20And%20sales%20co.%20In%20Boston%20Mass&pg=PA222#v=onepage&q=Ludlow%20Manufacturing%20And%20sales%20co.%20In%20Boston%20Mass&f=false
     

    Here is a side by side comparison of the threads. You tell me. They both measure .28mm/.012in. in diameter. The one on the left is attached to and from one of Anders masts. The one on the right is from the spool.
    I've now reached the point in all of this that it is time to start disassembling and restoring the little Brigantine. So I'll be busy for a while before I make another evidentiary entry.
    I have sure enjoyed this adventure so far. Hang on cause I'll be back.
    Regards Bruce
     
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    JesseLee reacted to Bruce Foxworthy in INTRIGUING SIB BUILDING FROM FATHER TO SON TO ME   
    HOORAY!!! I FOUND ANDERS CHISEL AND MORE:
    So the other day I was bemoaning over having miss placed Anders chisel. Just been bugging the hell out of me ever since. So this morning I went refiling threw my Hobby Center's drawers and I hit pay dirt. I had placed it along with two of his punches in the back of one of the drawers nearly out of sight. I was so happy when I found them that I kissed my dog. Who just happened to be by my side.  I think you'll find these as interesting as I do and I just wonder how many ships were born with these home made tools in Anders hands??

    And here is the chisel. I previously gave a description of it a while back but I was going from memory alone as I hadn't laid eyes on it in God knows how long. So negate the earlier description. The last picture in this group is a dimensional drawing I made of all these tools just in case anyone wants to make them. If I was going to make any of them, I certainly would round off the dimensions as they are so fractional. Which by the way, endorses the fact to me, that they were not production runs but rather made by hand, who knows how long ago.

    This is the tip that looks like it needs to be sharpened. I had also mentioned before, that I thought it was made out of the broken off end of a file. I still think that after looking at it again. Quite clever and perhaps was something Anders, learned from his Dad or a ship mate. I also wonder if Anders, Dad made these for him. Oh, my wild imaginations.

    These are the other ones,  (awls or punches or both ), that were also originally in the box along with the chisel. There are some notable things about them. First off let's look at the longer of the two. You'll notice that the upper portion of the working end seems to have been burnt. I'm thinking that that is a direct result of how it was made. Notice there is a zig-zag pattern carved around the entire perimeter of the handles top that kinda looks like a crown in a way. The burnt mark goes onto the, ( Babbitt/Lead ), top of the tool as well. I'm pretty sure that what went down here is that Anders, drilled a small hole in that handle then drove a fid-needle, ( I believe that would be a three sided tapered one), into it, and then poured melted Babbitt or lead down the cavity. The topside diameter of which was being contained by something he wrapped around the handle. Maybe cardboard? Who knows? But however he did it, everything stayed stuck.
    A side note here, I'm once again not positive that the tip of this tool is a fid or not unless I pull it out. Which I'm not going to do. The conjecture here is that the other tool's tip, ( the sorter one on the right above), looks three sided to me. The shorter one also looks like a store bought handle.  I calls dem as I sees dem. Take all of that for what it's worth.
     
     
    Here's a dimensional drawing, ( give or take a little ), of these three tools. I have no idea what kind of wood these are made of. But I should think if you wanted to create something similar to them, that a store bought small file handle would work just fine sawed off a little of course.
     
     
     
     
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    JesseLee reacted to Chasseur in How do you make ratlines?   
    Hi Bruce,
    I apologize for taking so long to respond. Attached are pictures of my jig and an application on a Great Lakes 1812-1815 circa Warship.
     Thread goes into the spring at top with spacing required depending on diameter of the mast. Bottom piece where the screw goes into the jig is wood and slots are cut according to the spacing required on the hull. Start at the top with a piece of thread, then slip it into the spring, and then pull down into a location on the bottom piece of the wood both sides. The beauty of the wood is you can pick number of shrouds/lines, spacing etc. Then start glueing your lines in place according to the scale required.
     Jig is built from brass square tubing. Holes are drilled to allow for different SIB scales. Just remove the brass screw each side and adjust accordingly. Rod is soldered at the bottom so it can fit into my fly tying pin vice.
     Here is a picture of the rat lines installed on a British Warship.
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    JesseLee reacted to Chasseur in HMS Wivern by Chausseur   
    Life has been extremely busy. Change management at work, taking care of my aging Mom, and the Vice Admiral is asking for a ton of renovations on our house. It never ends! Anyway, attached is a picture of the mizzen mast with sail less flag. I have to finish making the flag. Also I have quite a bit of deck furniture and ancillary stuff built ready to install on the deck. 
    The Canadian dime shows reference to the scale I am working in.

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    JesseLee reacted to Bruce Foxworthy in INTRIGUING SIB BUILDING FROM FATHER TO SON TO ME   
    Exwafoo:
    The more I think about the Turks head or any dressing knot as being what this inscription is about, the more I'm thinking that it's probably not about that at all. The biggest reason for that deduction in my feeble mind anyway is, mainly that, Anders, was a seaman. He trained for six months on a training vessel at the age of 14 years old in 1918 and then he was employed on tall ships the remainder of his working life. He or any sailor would have known all these kinds of knots by heart as a matter of course. No need to have them written down. I'm thinking that the inscription has something directly to do with whats on the other side of that board, the rigging of the mast. Perhaps it's about the sewing pattern for making the lifts or the braces or pick one, but in any case related to the template board itself. Purely conjecture of coarse on my part because I don't know what it's saying. But it certainly isn't a recipe for Moms pie crust.
    About a hundred years ago when I was sailing there were two books you had to have on board one was," Chapman's book on Piloting", and the other was," Ashley's book of knots". I looked up Turks head knot recently in that book and there are nearly 30 pages of Turks. By the way there are 3,900 knots and how to tie them in this book. Still the last word in my opinion. Talk about getting yourself all tied up in knots. I recall this book was at my bedside for at least a year. Yes there is that much and it's fascinating reading too because it covers the inception of these knots as well. Here's just a few pages from this book.
     

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    JesseLee reacted to Jeff B in 1776 Lexington, Continental Brig of War   
    Gotta take a step backward, while attaching yards, I realize how difficult it is working around side stays and backstays. 
    Now , for some odd reason the Main mast has an unfortunate lean that won't correct. 
    So I cut the stays. The Main has its yards on, using the "reef knot."
    I. put the main topmast  ratlines  on at this time. It seemed easy enough. 
    As I ponder tying the yards on the foremast tomorrow, I kinda wish now I had put them on prior to gluing down the hinge to the hull. 
    Its clumsy work. 
    Clear dark skies tonight, so I'll be up late with my other hobby, Galaxy hunting.
    Best regards, 
    Jeff
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    JesseLee reacted to Chasseur in INTRIGUING SIB BUILDING FROM FATHER TO SON TO ME   
    Okay Daniel I totally understand. When you’re ready please submit an article of your choosing.
    Bruce, no worries. Please take your time gathering the data and there is no rush. When you’re ready then yes please submit the full meal deal no holds barred. Even it it takes a year so be it. All is well.
    Also, if Daniel agrees to you being a co-editor then I welcome the help indeed.
    Both of you are an inspiration to all who visit here.
    Jeff
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    JesseLee reacted to Bruce Foxworthy in INTRIGUING SIB BUILDING FROM FATHER TO SON TO ME   
    DAY THREE ENTRY:
    I had a revelation last evening that is clearly a definitive signature of Anders and his fathers Nils, building process. That is concerning the employment of a wire loop that is found at the waterline of these hulls bows. Upon closer examination of the 7 masted schooner build, it is apparent that the forestay/jibstays lines emanating from the underside of the bowsprit, pass through the wire loop and out of the bottle. From that wire loop the lines are pulled and the masts are erected. Case Closed. Earlier I had wrongly thought that the mast lines and the stay lines went through the wire loop. I stand corrected. Here are pictures of this wire loop common to all the builds.
     

    location at waterline.
     

    Location on the three masted clipper. The stay lines are broken off.
     

    Location at the bow of the Thomas W. Larson. The wire loop is covered with sea material but you can clearly see that the stays are coming down from the underside of the bowsprit and going to the loop, then come out of it.
     

    The wire loop is broken off of the brigantines bow.
     

    This is the bow of the Thomas W. Lawson. Notice how long the wire loops end goes into the bow and that it is bent at the end and stuck down into the hull. Anders must have expected a lot of load being pulled on the loop to raise all seven masts and prepared for that circumstance.
     

    This is the wire loop for a four masted clipper yet to be assembled. The loop is much shorter and the ends are twisted together and not driven into the bottom of the hull.
     

    Take a good look at the lines coming out of the bottom of the hull in this picture. They are for the seven masts and there are fourteen of them. They all end respectively at around 36.50mm/1.436in, past the wire loop as do consequently the stay lines coming from the loop. I made a rough measurement of these lines lengths relative to each other and I found there is only a max deviation in these lengths of 8mm/.315in, collectively.  So making this observation,  I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that there was " no glue" used to secure these lines but rather only the wight of the sea material on top of these lines. Other mitigating circumstances that can help support that conclusion are, there is the friction born of the two lines for every mast scenario. This coupled with the double purchase resistance from the underside of the bowsprit angle through the loop angle and into the sea material.
    I think all the lines were buried into the sea one at a time and cut off at relatively the same place inside the bottle. I'm also going to suggest it's not that critical,( but sure would be nice ), to know the chemical makeup of the sea material.  We can draw some conclusion about the physical properties it exhibits just by the observance of what residues I have of it; still stuck to the hulls and lines of these ships. I think I mentioned earlier that it sticks with a ferocious tenacity. Dude it's stuck there! It appears to be stained with some green coloring? Another mystery? It seems to want to crack off when you try to cut into it with a #11 X-ACTO blade. So I say it's brittle as hell. As far as I can tell, just from these observation, I certainly don't think that this material couldn't hold the lines tight right from the get-go.
    I also have observed, ( and will be delving into this area soon ), that the running rigging stays topside but does go back and forth underneath in the hulls cavity. The only other part to be accounted for are the ratlines, side shrouds and back-stays. My observance on that front is two-fold. One, these lines originate and terminate on the bulwarks. Two, They are sewn to the masts with a single thread.
    We could talk about glues but if we go there lets start on some factual conjectures.  Nils who is Anders father taught  Anders how to build ships in a bottles. Then he, Nils, must have learned it and practiced it for years by the time Anders was born in 1904. So what kind of glues do you suppose were readily available on board a clipper in lets say the mid to late 1800"s???  There is only one glue I can think of and that glue would be Hide glue. Hide glue comes on board in crystalline form in cloth bags. It has to be cooked with water to 140 degrees to become glue. More than likely if glue was to be made at all it was for a specific job at hand. Let's face it a 140 degree fire on board a wooden vessel is a big deal. So I don't thing the guys on board could readily avail themselves of it. Rules out glue. So I'm standing on my hypothesis today that in fact this method of building SIBS originated in at least the mid 1800".  Until I realize proof otherwise, then that's my story and I'm stickin to it.
    Wait till You see what I got to show you tomorrow. Your not going to believe what I found in the box this morning. It's the coolest homemade tool I've ever seen. Stay tuned cause episode four is coming up soon.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    JesseLee reacted to Bruce Foxworthy in INTRIGUING SIB BUILDING FROM FATHER TO SON TO ME   
    On the other side of the drilling and assembly fixture are these words in script written with a fountain pen and I think there's some words that were gone over with pencil, which is curious to me.
    The reason I say that is, it looks as though the ink in that bottom portion was beginning to fade or rub away and Anders wanted to preserve those words so he wouldn't loose whatever knowledge is here?
    Now just what exactly is this all about? I can make out the words "over" and "under" and the numbers 1 and 2 but that's all. So I'm thinking this is mostly Danish? Was Anders in the process of learning English at this time? Remember the flip side of his control board was clearly English so he must have learned it by the time that template was made? Or is it possible that his father Nils, wrote these words or even made this fixture for him when he was teaching Anders how to build SIB's?? What does it say? Are these rigging instructions because clearly there is a lot of fancy knitting going on in the rigging process of the square sails? Or perhaps this was some method of tying some kind of a knot? A lot of speculation going on here on my part for sure. 
    So Onni, this is what I was referring to when I just wrote back to you. Maybe someone out there can read this and glean the gist of it's intention???? Help You guys????
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    JesseLee reacted to Bruce Foxworthy in INTRIGUING SIB BUILDING FROM FATHER TO SON TO ME   
    I'm going to Segway from the clipper but in a round about way involve it in these next few picture anyway.

    This is the Danish cigar box inside the larger box that for lack of anything better, I'm calling his, build kit box.
    So inside here there are masts, some already drilled.  Various sizes of yards having only one hole in the dead center.  As far as I can tell there are no holes at the ends of any yards on these three builds I have. Interesting. Which also may explain how they are able to have such a nice taper to them. Finally we have an assortment of.... OH MY GOD! BRASS SAILS.!!! The nerve of this young wiper snapper!! Why, the very idea!! Who ever would of heard of such a thing!! Yes, indeedy folks, this is one's for the books!
    These pieces of brass shim stock are, .090mm or around .004 thousands of an inch thick. Pretty close to paper thickness. They are painted white somewhere along in his process of the build. They seem to hold their shape very well and are pretty flexible, too. I like them and I'm suggesting that we can ascribe this as an identifiable Anders Henriksen signature attribute. Unless you guys have seen this before, I will then stand corrected???
    This picture below is a piece of quarter inch thick wood,( I think stained), and it was laying on top of the little cigar box that holds all the parts. I took these masts and yards out of the parts box to see if they lined up with the grooves cut into the board and as you can see they do. I can tell that there was drilling going on because the bottom of the two grooves for the masts are pot-marked with what looks like needle pokes. You'll also notice that there are two pencil drawn pictures top and bottom that I'm pretty sure are calling out locations to drill as well. 
    Notice the top mast laying in the middle of the board just above the pencil drawing. At it's left end there is what looks like a small dowel on it's tip. It's actually carved on there and I'm pretty sure that the little oval you see on the end of the drawing below it there indicates, that that is where the bead goes on the top of the mast. Once again a signature element of this building style and perhaps time, as all the builds masts, that I have here, are topped with beads. White ones.

    This next picture is the flip side of this wooden fixture and is really intriguing. A real mystery!
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