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DSiemens

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  1. There's a whole list of ships in the UK I'd love to go see. The Golden Hind, Cutty Sark, Victory, Mary Rose. I'll have to make a trip some day. There's a ship from that time period I've thought of building and maybe I aught to get on it. It was called the Desire and captained by Thomas Cavendish. My 13th great grandfather Thomas Eldred sailed on it with Cavendish. I guess they were good friends. A Painting of Eldred and of the Desire is in the Christchurch Mansion. Would be fun to visit the mansion too.
  2. Very true Drake was not a pirate really. A privateer is a better term. I guess he was considered close enough for the podcast and he had his associations with French pirates. That was an interesting speculation from the podcast. In one of Drakes early voyages along side John Hawkins their orders were trade with but not attack the Spanish. Early in the voyage,Drake converses with some French pirates and then sails across to south America. They stop at port after port of Spanish towns that had just been sacked by the French. Each time they are able to trade supplies to help rebuild. The podcaster speculates that Drakes meeting with the French pirates was all a big plan. The French went ahead wrecking the towns and stealing what they could and as planned Drake followed right behind. This woukd have accomplished the English goals of taking Spanish wealth while still not getting on Spains bad side, a delicate balance that later fell into war.
  3. Yeah. Its difficult. Its ussualy best to find original sources on both sides and determine the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The show was interesting because its based on a letter from the Spanish captain himself. Although I'm wary of that too. Apparently he had gotten seperated and lost his ship and was picked up by others in the Spanish Armada. He was set to be court marshled for his failings but the ship that picked him up eventually grounded in Ireland and most of the crew was killed by the English. So a big part of his letter back to Spain was explaining his heroic deeds in an effort to be pardened of the court marshal. Which ultimately worked. So I'd take that with a grain of salt as well. I have found an interesting podcast called the Pirate Podcast that starts out covering Sir Francis Drake and this time period. Its fun because the guy doing it explores original sources on both sides and gives a pretty good opinion on where the reality lies. Its pretty interesting.
  4. Ok so curiosity got to me and I bought it. I'm not sure it was worth $5. I think it was well done but there's a lot of story to fit into 27 minutes and while they told the story which was very interesting they also skipped over the battles. I think they were keeping it family friendly so violence is to a minimum but at such a minimum it feels like your reading a picture book. The ship graphics weren't bad. They spend more time off of the ships though so there wasn't much ship wise to glean from the film. I think the most interesting point to come from the film was that there were Irish people willing to help the Spanish. I guess it never crossed my mind before but of coarse Ireland had those that opposed the crown and were willing to help other nations that opposed England as well. In that way a Spanish Captain could crash onto Ireland and find enough refuge to eventually make it back to Spain. He definitely got lucky and he helped a few Irish lords out in some battles along the way. So the story is very interesting. I think it deserves a full length movie though.
  5. That is an incredible amount of workmanship. The ship fills the bulb to the very edges. Excellent work Chasseur.
  6. I ran into this. I haven't purchased or watched it yet but it looks interesting. Has anyone seen it? It's on https://www.spanisharmadaireland.com/
  7. Some great finishing touches. Great job on this. The ship looks awesome. I love all the detail.
  8. That came out really nice. Great job! I'm glad your enjoying the Story of Sail. I've built so many ships from that book. It really is a great resource.
  9. If its a clean break the glass can be glued back in place so long as theres an opening to get inside. Its tricky but not impossible.
  10. The portholes are very impressive.
  11. I'm going to repost what I had posted in the Facebook group. That way it's in both places. I did a little digging into the the bottle style. It appears to be mouth blown with a burst off method used on the bottle neck. This was an inexpensive European method of making bottles from 1890 to 1920. They were popular as ink and sauce bottles in Britain. The oldest this bottle could be is 1890. Its very likely your great grandfather bought it in new or nearly new condition around or before 1920. https://sha.org/bottle/mouthblowndating.htm Care and preservation I'd say keep it out of direct sunlight. The sun can dry up and thread especially magnified by the glass. This will eventually break the lines. The bottle would need occasional dusting and very occasional glass cleaning. Nothing crazy there. You'd have to look into what to use on the old wood. I don't know what would be best. Value is tough. The ship in bottle itself is easily $350 or more given its age and great condition. I think the original wood adds a lot of value to that as well but I don't know how much. Its definitely a unique and rare piece. I think $900 is easily a reasonable value. It could be more. I wish I could give more info on the ship. Its a generic French clipper very prominent at the time. Who ever built it was familiar with ships. They may have sailed on the ship which would tie the Irish heritage and French ship together. Who knows. The rigging and general dimensions are accurate. The masts and yards are thick for scale but that was a very normal method of building at the time. It's a beautiful piece. Your family has taken great care of it thus far. I did some digging on the flags too. They appear to spell CBF. The C and B were in use in 1922 and prior but the F was changed in 1922 according to this source. https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/xf~icsr.html That does confirm the ship is at least older than 1922. http://navalmarinearchive.com/research/signalflags1.html
  12. DSiemens

    Mayflower

    You are seriously talented. Both the ship amd the stand look great.
  13. Love when theres a lot of ship for a small opening. Your sib is going to look awesome.
  14. Welcome! No worries on the questions. We're a small group so we can afford to be a bit loose on whats where. I'd rather we be helpful then send people on wild goose chases around a forum they just joined. With that in mind I like to taper masts by puting them in a regular drill and spinning it into sand paper. Some people use a dremel but I've found that to be dangerous a regular drill does the job. As far as putting holes in the last the best jig I saw was by Exwafoo. You can find it here, near the bottom of the page.
  15. Thats why they call them impossible bottles. 😁 Glass cases are great. They can add to the art as well. You would probably like my firends work. Google Bob Fivehouse ship models. Heres an example. https://www.shipmodel.com/acadp_listings/queen-mary-ii/
  16. Great work! That looks awesome.
  17. I'm glad you found the tutorial useful. Great work!
  18. The hardest part of bottling one like this is the fine rigging. I'm guessing you use wire. I have a friend that build in this scale though he specializes in passenger ships and thats what he uses. The problem with it is, in regards to bottling, it doesnt fold well and would not look as clean as the unbottles versions. Its also hard to find thread as this as wire. I don't blame you for not bottling these. It would require a bigger scale or out of scale rigging. I appreciate you sharing your wonderful work with the group.
  19. I'm in the US but have shiped to the UK before. I dont have a lot of time but if no one elese has contacted you let me know. This ship looks very straight forward and wouldnt be to difficult.
  20. DSiemens

    Saying hello

    Welccome! Thats a beautiful ship.
  21. Sometimes when details get this small I print them out on paper and glue the paper to the model. Maybe not the best photo but it gives the idea. I printed the transom glued it on and touched it up with paint. In your case I'd print the cabin windows, cut out the windows and glue the shaped pieces in then paint over them.
  22. Collectors mostly. People that have an interest in nautical art. Its not a very big market but people are out there.
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