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  1. DSiemens

    Asgard

    Those are the scuppers. You are correct they allow water to drain off the deck. I think the thread represents them really well.
  2. Beautifully done. I love all the detailing that went into this. The red green lights, the wire rails. It looks great. The lighthouse in the bottle neck and macrame are a great touch too. Great job.
  3. DSiemens

    Asgard

    Great job that looks awesome. I've seen thread used on the side of the hull before but I've never seen stripes painted into it. That's a nice touch.
  4. I've always thought ship in bottle building was like painting a picture but in a bottle. I saw thos video on Facebook and it totally blrw my mind with the use of perspective. Most of the ships in bottles are pretty regular but check out the ships in the up right bottles. I've never seen anything like them.
  5. I think it looks really good. There's no rules about building materials. They don't have to be wood. It's a great start to a fun hobby.
  6. Well that's not fun. Phones are weird sometimes I hope you are able to get yours working.
  7. DSiemens

    Headline news

    All models look great. You've got a great club going.
  8. This has made me reevaluate the old ship that i have. I was surprised to see this little discovery. I didn't notice because theres depictions of land and things so I don't see the bottle from this angle. The lines come through the bowsptrit and the are bundled up and hidden in a patch of sea behind the ship. Theres bits and pieces of lines poking up out of the sea. This artist could really have used the ring method Anders used. Its cleverly hidden though so he didn't do to bad. Some of the methodology is similar but theres a lot of differences between the two. Its interesting.
  9. Stop knots are knots that stop the line from going through a hole. In a real world use they are often used on dead eyes. My guess with these ships is a stop knot could be used to keep the line from pulling through the bulwarks where the shrouds beginning before being threaded back and forth on the mast. Looking at some of the photos it appears he didn't use the stop knot he tied the line to the bulwarks on the starboard side and threaded it then ending on the port side. That is interesting in that that is how shrouds are rigged in real life. Starting on the fore starboard side then alternating starboard and port and working their way back. As far as stop knots on the mast stepping I think it could work. If a hole is drilled going up and diagonally through the mast a stop knot could be used where the hole comes out the side of the mast. I don't think this was his method though. Looking at the photos it looks like he drilled a hole perpendicular through the mast similar to the hinge method. The line is tied off at the bottom of the mast and the knot sits on top of or in the hole on deck. It's simple but it works.
  10. His carving is very good. Particularly on the fantail ship. He certainly has a variety of holes going on. I'm starting to piece together a little of how this system works. I think I'll have to try it out it has me intrigued. My guess is he has lines that pull the masts into place. Just behind the mast line holes are holes for the stay lines from the mast just aft. I suspect the holes close to the bulwarks are for the stay sail lines as seen in the ship in the post just prior to this. The running rigging appears to go through the bulwark or just off to the outside of it. Probably depends on the thickness of the bulwark. I wonder if he glued the lines down through the holes in the hull and then cut them off beneath the ship before glueing it down to the sea or ran all the lines out the front. Either may work. I like the threading needle. It's simple but looks effective. I think I'll have to build one.
  11. That is a small scale. Love the use of a fly tying clamp. What material are you using for the mast?
  12. Did a quick look at glue history. It appears hide glue was used a lot for wood working in the 1800's. Being a ships carpenter Ander's would probably have had plenty of access to hide glue and could be given use of the ships stove to heat it as part of preforming his work on the ship. I think hide glue very well could be what was used. Rubber based glues were invented in the 1830's and would have been very much in use by the late 1800's and certainly in the 1900's. That a good possibility too. It is interesting to me what technological changes took place that made ship in bottle building possible. For instance this hobby owes it's existence in part to the invention of the refrigerator. The old ice boxes made storing food easier and more common place but they still required sealed containers. This lead to a glass boom in the late 1800's which made clear glass bottles common place. It was the tupperware of the time. Prior to the late 1800's clear glass was very expensive. Since it became more common place poor sailors could utilize discarded bottles for creations of art. It may be possible rubber glues of the late 1800's facilitated this art as well. The other possibility is paste. This is made from boiling flour in water. until the mixture thickens. I think this could have been readily available. It's hard to say and especially by the mid 1900's when Ander would have done a lot more building there was a lot of glues available. What is on the ships here and what his father used could be totally different.
  13. I wondered if Anders used the threading technique for back stays seeing that none of those lines apear to come out of the hull on the pictures that you sent. The placement of the holes for the backstays and your indication that they are made from a continuous line tells me he probably inserted the line on the inside of the bulwark and out the outside and probably stopped it with a stopper knot. The working end then went up through the mast and down to the other side entering the bulwark from the outside and then was threaded to the next hole in the bulwark. This would then go out to the mast and on to the other side and back and forth until the back stays are completed. It does look like on fourth mast back there is a place with the line comes out from the bulwark and is tied to shroud where he would have completed the back stay. The advantage of this is the ease of getting evenly tight back stays because they are a single line and can be tightened simultaneously by wiggling the mast back and forth. It also would be less tedious than running the lines through the cavity of the hull. Also these lines are finished off before the ship goes into the bottle so the masts fold down and there's no additional lines from the back stays running out. If you look on the inside of the bulwarks do you see thread going from one hole to the next? The loop at the water line is interesting. It does help facilitate a martingale or bob stay type look as well as proving and good place to glue the lines down and cut them off. I've seen lines run back to the hull in this way but I'm not sure I've ever seen this loop used. Looking at the old ship in bottle I have, the one seen at the top of the website, I do see there are lines that run from the end of the bowsprit to the hull but they are almost parallel with the bowsprit and I don't see where they would be cut off. I've wondered about glue as well. I did find some time ago that there is a type of fish glue that could be made from the fishes swim bladders. It's apparently very smelly though so who knows if the ships cook or the rest of the crew would allow it making it on board. I'm sure there had to be types of wood glue or similar types of glue on board a ship. I would think there would be anyways.
  14. Jeff - I'm still up for writing articles. I'm in a better spot for it now that I have school out of my way. Just got to pass the four big tests and I'm home free. I'm very curious about what was written there. I agree it appears to be knot but which one? Turks head? ratlines? Sail wraping? I tried putting some words in google translate but I didn't get anything.
  15. Bernard - do you know what type of putty was used in early ship in bottle building. I would think plastacine is fairly recent since I think its petroleum based. I'm curious to know what was used prior to that. My closest guess would be something like plumbers putty.
  16. I'm hoping this link works. Google Books is always touch and go. There was an article describing this technique in popular science in August 1930 page 71. https://books.google.com/books?id=aigDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=ship+in+a+bottle+popular+science+1930&source=bl&ots=nA0L1zwJYV&sig=ACfU3U3ianpN2gkAdl7SMiSR6XeU2YYlOA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiSivrLqsvjAhUJEawKHZShC4AQ6AEwC3oECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=ship in a bottle popular science 1930&f=false
  17. Bruce - This is incredible. Thank you very much for sharing with us. I wonder if Mystic would have the old logs of the Joseph Conrad. It would be interesting if Anders is mentioned. At the very least they may be interested in the history of a sailor that was on the ship. The seven masted ship is reminiscent of the Lawson but the Lawson is typically black or white and not green. Perhaps he just wanted to try doing a seven masted vessel and put his own colors to it. I think seven is the pinnacle in ship in bottle building. If you can bottle a seven masted ship you can bottle anything. I have seen the technique of running the lines under the ship before. I want to say Tubjugger introduced me to it. I tried it once and it was a total catastrophe. I was very new to ship in bottle building at the time though. I should try it again. There's a couple ways this is done. One is to run the lines out the front of the bow near the water line. Another method was to run them out through a hole on deck. Once the lines were cut on deck a deck house or hatch was placed over them to cover them up.
  18. Love the choice of materials. Cheap, available and effective. It's reminiscent of the same type of ingenuity as the sailors that started this craft had.
  19. I should get back to this build some day.....lol. I've been meaning to build more of these. Our game has progressed into full blown D&D with occasional miniature naval combat. My boys are such good and creative players. It's been a lot of fun.
  20. This is something I hadn't thought of either having never done a pinch bottle. I have a tiny pinch bottle I found at an antique shop I've been meaning to put a Constitution in. One of many things on my long list of ship in bottle projects to do.
  21. Looking awesome. Great work.
  22. DSiemens

    HMS Gannet

    Beautiful. Well done. I agree the bottle neck shot is stunning.
  23. Great work Jeff. I think the thing you describe is the "stem". That's where the phrase from stem to stern comes from.
  24. There's an old ship in bottle saying. It gets easier after the first hundred. Keep it up you'll get there. Post a build log I'd love to see this project and help answer questions where we can.
  25. Beautiful work. I really like the pocket watch concept. I've done it a couple of times and it's somewhat refreshing because I don't have to get the model to fold. It looks really unique. It's like looking out of a porthole in a way.
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