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    I think it looks great. I agree with the heeling problem. It's a catch twenty two because if you heel it towards the front of the bottle the sails bow towards the front too and cover up the deck. Try it out though and see what you think.
  2. Colin, Thats a great looking ship you have there. Valuation is a bit tricky on art but as, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so the saying goes. Best I can do is give you some examples of what I see on the market with a bit of my own experience in selling ships in bottles. I think yours would probably go for $150. I've listed some below that I think are close to what you have here. The Artinbottles one particularly is priced similar to what I think this one would go for. I know the seller at Artinbottles.com and he is a very serious collector of bottle art. His valuations are very on point. The one I listed is about the same age as yours maybe a tad older and it's listed at $120. It's a different style ships and doesn't have sails which I think makes yours that much more appealing to the eye and thus valuable. I've also listed other similar ships that are around that price range both over and under. There are some key differences which I've listed below that explain the differences in valuation. I hope you find this helpful. Let us know if you have any other questions. This ship is a very similar age. http://artinbottles.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=54 This ones less expensive but not as old, the ship is similar. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Diaorama-Ship-In-a-Bottle-U-S-S-Constitution-1797-Sailing-Mast-Sailboat-Handmad/133348377384?hash=item1f0c2ec328:g:ft4AAOSwOjZclTdg A similar ship and age but in a pinch bottle. Etsy's a bit tricky because people can set what ever price they want and let things sit. I've seen some listed at $900 that sat around for over a year. I think this ones listed a tad high but the pinch bottle is unique which adds to the value. https://www.etsy.com/listing/762779616/beautiful-antique-3-masted-frigate-ship?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=ship+in+a+bottle+vintage&ref=sr_gallery-1-36&organic_search_click=1
  3. I'm sorry I haven't been around much its been crazyness around here. I work for a hospital system so it's been a little wild. I work in taxes so it's less crazy for me than at our sites but I have had to move my office to home. They've set up a full task Covid19 force in the office that looks like a war room. Lots of people on computers, some one always upfront taking information and giving out orders and the token pacing person in the back of the room. If it weren't so serious it would be comical. I guess we half to chuckle at some things to keep from going a little nuts. I am proud to see my organization is taking things very seriously. I do worry about all of you out there and my friends in the Rocky Mountain Shipwrights. I'm young enough I'll be fine but we have a lot of older members. Be careful out there and try to be safe.
  4. I saw in another post someone had trouble with the synthetic paint brush bristles. I use ones that are made from hair. Probably horse hair. They already have a tan sort of color. experiment with different ones and see what happens.
  5. I was going to see if anyone would reply to this first. I've never done it but I've seen it done. I want to say David Lavoie has done it. I haven't seen him on this site in a while but he frequents the Facebook group. Seems like theres a couple ways to do it. If you can get them to hinge on the ship you can attach the oars and put the whole ship in at once. Perhaps glue a piece of thread to the end of each oar and then glue the other end of the thread to the hull. Then on the other end of the oars glue a continuous thread that connects each oar. Tightening that thread will get all the oars to their equal spacing. Adjust as needed and cover that end with clay or paint to blend it into the sea. Another method would be insert each oar one by one along the ship. It's tedious but it would work. Or mix the two and have a thread on both ends of the oar like a rope ladder. Insert the oars separately and glue one side to the hull and put the other in the sea. This risks having the thread show on the side of the hull though. Or use a flexible material. Glue paintbrush bristles in as the oars and bend them even with the hull as they go in once in they'll popback out into place. They may bend a little but if they aren't bent to far and if anchored in the sea material I think you could get them to straiten back out. It's work testing. Let us know what you end up doing. I don't think a method for this has been recorded on this site yet.
  6. James - Something you could try is paint brush bristles for the yard arms. Glue a couple together if you want to make some thicker than others. They are flexible so they allow a little give going into the bottle and gets you closer to scale. Looking good so far.
  7. Excellent work. She looks amazing!
  8. Here's an example of that style stopper from around 1900, though not as fancy as the one above. https://www.folkartinbottles.com/component/joodb/article/2-gallery/1050-hans-van-erkel-ship-in-a-bottle-diorama Here's another one from 1891. https://www.folkartinbottles.com/component/joodb/article/2-gallery/1073-jesus-on-the-cross-in-a-bottle Another from the 1880s https://www.folkartinbottles.com/component/joodb/article/2-gallery/998-paul-boyton-dedication-in-a-bottle So it's possible it could be as old as the bottle but it is hard to say.
  9. Jeff I think you bring up a good point. This could be a bottle from the 1880's but bottled much later. I'm not familiar with the history of that style of stopper but none of the very old sibs I've seen have had that style stopper. I may have to look through Greg Alvey's site again and look at the dates of various bottles with that stopper. With the article published in 1963 we know it could be at least that old. It does open the possibility that the art in the bottle was created in the mid 20th century.
  10. It is a mystery stopper. I've never seen one in a bottle this old.
  11. I was able to find some very similar bottles. It appears this is an apothecary bottle used for holding medicine. These bottles appear to come from the 1880-1890s. That matches what I found on the bottle dating site. This is a very old ship in bottle. https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/east-bristol-auctions/catalogue-id-sreas10183/lot-91fbd61f-48f7-4996-bd36-a6d000c607a9 I wonder if the condensation you wrote about isn't actually chemical staining from what ever used to be in this bottle. I have seen chemical staining in bottles before that looked a lot like frost. Always thought of putting a winter scene or northern ship in that type of bottle. The bottle may have been selected for it's stormy look.
  12. Looked up lighthouses with red tops. This could be any number of places which also means it could be a generic lighthouse and doesn't resemble any actual place. Below are the closest matches. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Island_Lighthouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_du_Couedic_Lighthouse This one is most probable. It was built before the time frame of the bottle and looks the closest. It is in the Netherlands. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2215732
  13. The clay thread holding idea is very good. I'll have to try that out. Thanks for sharing that.
  14. Definitely well built. Who ever built is had a really good knowledge of sailing ships. The rigging is very accurate. The carving is also very clean. They were very skilled. Can I get a closer picture of the flag. At a glance it appease to be American. Can I also get a picture looking almost parallel to the surface of the glass looking down the bottle? What I think I'm seeing is the first to photo's is horizontal rings in the bottle. This suggests it was made in a turn mold. From my research this puts the bottle between 1880 and 1915. https://sha.org/bottle/body.htm#Turn molds The lack of sails suggests pre 1915 as well but that's more of a guess based on other models I've seen than a general rule. The style having a town in the back ground suggests early 1900's to me as well. Can I get more pictures of the town? It's possible it depicts an actual location. If we can identify the lighthouse that can tell us more. It's a beautiful work of art. The stopper is especially unique. It's very rare to see stoppers like that. As I said before who ever built this was very skilled.
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