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  1. You are correct that the bottom corners of the sails will be secured after going into the bottle. This is the way I've always done it and your right the yards can't rotate otherwise. The hard part in securing the sails sometimes one side sits to high and another to low. I suggest adding the lifts as you see in Alans diagram above. I use thread blocks so theres no hole drilled. Tie a thread block just above the mast and secure the line from one end of the yard through the black and on to the other. The line will slide through the block and still allow the yards to rotate. Once its in the bottle you can rotate the yards in there proper position and put a bit of glue on the thread block. This will help keep them in the right position. Gluing the lines at the bottom of the sails will also help keep them in the right position. Using both will secure it all together. I'm a little confused with the second section. I'm hopeful Alans illustration is helpful. I think you have a great set up so far. THis is what it looks like and tell me if I'm not understanding this right. You will be inserting the hull first and then the masts separate from the hull. The mast will be inserted into the hull and then the back stays, glued to the side of the hull. From there you need to secure the fore stays. I think Alans diagram shows this how this works really well. The only minor drawback is it shows a clipper and not a galleon. The principles are the same but its hard to compare as the clipper has a lot of masts and doesn't have the cross trees. I found it hard to find a non convoluted rigging plan but here's something. First some terminology and you may already know this. The cross trees are the parts where the sections of the mast come together. The Forestays on the real ship are connected at the cross trees. You can see above how the forestay runs from either the top of the mast to the cross tree one section down on the mast in front of it, or from a cross tree to the cross tree on the next section down. They aren't necessarily parallel but they look like they are. On a rela ship they are secured and each are separate lines. For a ship in bottle your simulating this but they are one continuous line. For instance one line from the main mast gallant crosstree that connects to the royal section, run to the the fore mast top and then to the bow sprit the line can then be run out of the bottle and tightened up and glued down once the ship is inserted. Which is all an over explanation of run the forestays between the cross trees and out the bottle. I hope this is helpful. Let us know if you have more questions.
  2. There's a whole list of ships in the UK I'd love to go see. The Golden Hind, Cutty Sark, Victory, Mary Rose. I'll have to make a trip some day. There's a ship from that time period I've thought of building and maybe I aught to get on it. It was called the Desire and captained by Thomas Cavendish. My 13th great grandfather Thomas Eldred sailed on it with Cavendish. I guess they were good friends. A Painting of Eldred and of the Desire is in the Christchurch Mansion. Would be fun to visit the mansion too.
  3. Very true Drake was not a pirate really. A privateer is a better term. I guess he was considered close enough for the podcast and he had his associations with French pirates. That was an interesting speculation from the podcast. In one of Drakes early voyages along side John Hawkins their orders were trade with but not attack the Spanish. Early in the voyage,Drake converses with some French pirates and then sails across to south America. They stop at port after port of Spanish towns that had just been sacked by the French. Each time they are able to trade supplies to help rebuild. The podcaster speculates that Drakes meeting with the French pirates was all a big plan. The French went ahead wrecking the towns and stealing what they could and as planned Drake followed right behind. This woukd have accomplished the English goals of taking Spanish wealth while still not getting on Spains bad side, a delicate balance that later fell into war.
  4. Yeah. Its difficult. Its ussualy best to find original sources on both sides and determine the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The show was interesting because its based on a letter from the Spanish captain himself. Although I'm wary of that too. Apparently he had gotten seperated and lost his ship and was picked up by others in the Spanish Armada. He was set to be court marshled for his failings but the ship that picked him up eventually grounded in Ireland and most of the crew was killed by the English. So a big part of his letter back to Spain was explaining his heroic deeds in an effort to be pardened of the court marshal. Which ultimately worked. So I'd take that with a grain of salt as well. I have found an interesting podcast called the Pirate Podcast that starts out covering Sir Francis Drake and this time period. Its fun because the guy doing it explores original sources on both sides and gives a pretty good opinion on where the reality lies. Its pretty interesting.
  5. Ok so curiosity got to me and I bought it. I'm not sure it was worth $5. I think it was well done but there's a lot of story to fit into 27 minutes and while they told the story which was very interesting they also skipped over the battles. I think they were keeping it family friendly so violence is to a minimum but at such a minimum it feels like your reading a picture book. The ship graphics weren't bad. They spend more time off of the ships though so there wasn't much ship wise to glean from the film. I think the most interesting point to come from the film was that there were Irish people willing to help the Spanish. I guess it never crossed my mind before but of coarse Ireland had those that opposed the crown and were willing to help other nations that opposed England as well. In that way a Spanish Captain could crash onto Ireland and find enough refuge to eventually make it back to Spain. He definitely got lucky and he helped a few Irish lords out in some battles along the way. So the story is very interesting. I think it deserves a full length movie though.
  6. That is an incredible amount of workmanship. The ship fills the bulb to the very edges. Excellent work Chasseur.
  7. I ran into this. I haven't purchased or watched it yet but it looks interesting. Has anyone seen it? It's on https://www.spanisharmadaireland.com/
  8. Some great finishing touches. Great job on this. The ship looks awesome. I love all the detail.
  9. That came out really nice. Great job! I'm glad your enjoying the Story of Sail. I've built so many ships from that book. It really is a great resource.
  10. If its a clean break the glass can be glued back in place so long as theres an opening to get inside. Its tricky but not impossible.
  11. The portholes are very impressive.
  12. I'm going to repost what I had posted in the Facebook group. That way it's in both places. I did a little digging into the the bottle style. It appears to be mouth blown with a burst off method used on the bottle neck. This was an inexpensive European method of making bottles from 1890 to 1920. They were popular as ink and sauce bottles in Britain. The oldest this bottle could be is 1890. Its very likely your great grandfather bought it in new or nearly new condition around or before 1920. https://sha.org/bottle/mouthblowndating.htm Care and preservation I'd say keep it out of direct sunlight. The sun can dry up and thread especially magnified by the glass. This will eventually break the lines. The bottle would need occasional dusting and very occasional glass cleaning. Nothing crazy there. You'd have to look into what to use on the old wood. I don't know what would be best. Value is tough. The ship in bottle itself is easily $350 or more given its age and great condition. I think the original wood adds a lot of value to that as well but I don't know how much. Its definitely a unique and rare piece. I think $900 is easily a reasonable value. It could be more. I wish I could give more info on the ship. Its a generic French clipper very prominent at the time. Who ever built it was familiar with ships. They may have sailed on the ship which would tie the Irish heritage and French ship together. Who knows. The rigging and general dimensions are accurate. The masts and yards are thick for scale but that was a very normal method of building at the time. It's a beautiful piece. Your family has taken great care of it thus far. I did some digging on the flags too. They appear to spell CBF. The C and B were in use in 1922 and prior but the F was changed in 1922 according to this source. https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/xf~icsr.html That does confirm the ship is at least older than 1922. http://navalmarinearchive.com/research/signalflags1.html
  13. DSiemens

    Mayflower

    You are seriously talented. Both the ship amd the stand look great.
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